Who's shopping for electronic door locks?

Joel3 · June 3, 2014, 6:30pm

+10. **spit out my coffee upon reading “unless some crakhead unjoins…”

Well done Angel.

We went with the Shlagelink version and have been pretty happy because I can see who uses the space (and lock/unlock the door) with my phone. They are technically not rated for commercial applications, but we get around this by sleeping in our space from time to time so I rate us residential. Hey… we’re a community, not a workspace.

Joel

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On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Angel Kwiatkowski [email protected] wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

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http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

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Jeannine · June 4, 2014, 8:42am

Double coffee spit on the crackhead.

We presently have a regular key lock at all locations, which is not a huge problem since there is almost always somebody in the space (or the space is always staffed) so we just have to coordinate who is on front. But at Kamer52 I want to try a keypad, mostly because I am gone all summer to the US and this means that the evening shift has to be staffed by somebody other than me --Kamer52 for those who dont know, is attached to my house so since I live here the evening shift is fairly straightforward.

We just had a break in this week so I have to replace the lock anyway The locksmith guy I got to change the lock is recommending a keypad coupled with a keyed lock, to which only we have a key. So we would have to physically unlock the door in the morning and lock it again in the evening.

It looks like programming will not be a problem, it does not I think track who was there and who was not, but I am not sure we really need that, since we know each other anyway. It might have been nice for ease of billing for the occasionals but K52, not being urban, doesn’t have those that often. I think that might be the difference.

What I really want is an Arudino open system too, but at the moment I haven’t got the time to invest in another hobby. I am considering having my spouse (who teaches IT) offer it to some of his graduating students as a project, I could take them on as interns I think.

Actually, if anybody else is still interested in this also we could probably develop it in a collaborative way. You do get better interns like that. Let me know!

···

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:35:48 PM UTC+2, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

Cristina_Santamarin2 · June 4, 2014, 10:25am

I’ve been stuck with a blog post and page for our learn.cobot.me page for ages.

I (really) hate locks by now.

But have anyone here tried any of the following access system?

Intellify
Lockitron (unsure if they are out yet…)
August
Usher

···

On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:42:21 UTC+2, Jeannine wrote:

Double coffee spit on the crackhead.

We presently have a regular key lock at all locations, which is not a huge problem since there is almost always somebody in the space (or the space is always staffed) so we just have to coordinate who is on front. But at Kamer52 I want to try a keypad, mostly because I am gone all summer to the US and this means that the evening shift has to be staffed by somebody other than me --Kamer52 for those who dont know, is attached to my house so since I live here the evening shift is fairly straightforward.

We just had a break in this week so I have to replace the lock anyway The locksmith guy I got to change the lock is recommending a keypad coupled with a keyed lock, to which only we have a key. So we would have to physically unlock the door in the morning and lock it again in the evening.

It looks like programming will not be a problem, it does not I think track who was there and who was not, but I am not sure we really need that, since we know each other anyway. It might have been nice for ease of billing for the occasionals but K52, not being urban, doesn’t have those that often. I think that might be the difference.

What I really want is an Arudino open system too, but at the moment I haven’t got the time to invest in another hobby. I am considering having my spouse (who teaches IT) offer it to some of his graduating students as a project, I could take them on as interns I think.

Actually, if anybody else is still interested in this also we could probably develop it in a collaborative way. You do get better interns like that. Let me know!

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:35:48 PM UTC+2, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

Craig_McAnsh · June 4, 2014, 10:58am

This is quite the exploratory list. I would suggest one addition lock to consider. This is fully programmable, durable (i.e. heavy duty for a lot of traffic) and allows you to set automatic daily open and lock times. It also allows you to require users have a key fob and code if you choose. We used this at our first location and loved it.

···

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:35:48 PM UTC-4, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

Toby_Krout · June 4, 2014, 1:29pm

https://preorder.getchui.com/the-world-s-most-intelligent-doorbell

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On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Mojo [email protected] wrote:

This is quite the exploratory list. I would suggest one addition lock to consider. This is fully programmable, durable (i.e. heavy duty for a lot of traffic) and allows you to set automatic daily open and lock times. It also allows you to require users have a key fob and code if you choose. We used this at our first location and loved it.

http://www.amazon.com/LockState-LS-1500-Heavy-Duty-Electronic-Keyless/dp/B004NSUXSE/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1401879207&sr=1-1&keywords=ibutton+lock

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:35:48 PM UTC-4, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

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Craig_Baute_Creative · June 4, 2014, 3:42pm

I use this from LockState.
Pros: It stores up to 200 codes so I can give everyone an individual code, very easy to add and take away codes, have an unlock function for traditional open hours.

Cons: A member or person needs to permanently lock/unlock the code for closing time.

Citizen_Space · June 4, 2014, 5:59pm

Re: [Coworking] Re: Who’s shopping for electronic door locks?
Greetings Everyone,

This email is for anyone who is interested in Lockitron. We (Citizen Space) have had a long history with Positron since 2010. We were lucky to have them as members, and be one of the earliest users (for better or worst). I have also installed one of the more sophisticated implementations of the product at our sister space, Connection SF. The product is stable, and our members absolutely love it. If you have any specific questions about the product, drop us an email directly at [email protected] , or if you need an inside connect to get you a lock NOW because you need it for your space.

You can also come check the product and meet the founders at the Coworking Week 2014 in SF August 2nd-9th. If you would like to participate, you can still grab 100% FREE tickets until this Friday at http://coworkingweek2014.eventbrite.com/

Any space operators or brands interested in organizing your own Coworking week event, or sponsoring ours can join our organizers conference call next week by emailing us your contact info, and we will add you to the email list of organizers.

Kind regards,

Toby

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On 6/4/14, 3:25 AM, “Cristina Santamarina” [email protected] wrote:

I’ve been stuck with a blog post and page for our learn.cobot.me page for ages.

I (really) hate locks by now.

But have anyone here tried any of the following access system?

Intellify

Lockitron (unsure if they are out yet…)

August

Usher

On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:42:21 UTC+2, Jeannine wrote:

Double coffee spit on the crackhead.

We presently have a regular key lock at all locations, which is not a huge problem since there is almost always somebody in the space (or the space is always staffed) so we just have to coordinate who is on front. But at Kamer52 I want to try a keypad, mostly because I am gone all summer to the US and this means that the evening shift has to be staffed by somebody other than me --Kamer52 for those who dont know, is attached to my house so since I live here the evening shift is fairly straightforward.

We just had a break in this week so I have to replace the lock anyway The locksmith guy I got to change the lock is recommending a keypad coupled with a keyed lock, to which only we have a key. So we would have to physically unlock the door in the morning and lock it again in the evening.

It looks like programming will not be a problem, it does not I think track who was there and who was not, but I am not sure we really need that, since we know each other anyway. It might have been nice for ease of billing for the occasionals but K52, not being urban, doesn’t have those that often. I think that might be the difference.

What I really want is an Arudino open system too, but at the moment I haven’t got the time to invest in another hobby. I am considering having my spouse (who teaches IT) offer it to some of his graduating students as a project, I could take them on as interns I think.

Actually, if anybody else is still interested in this also we could probably develop it in a collaborative way. You do get better interns like that. Let me know!

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:35:48 PM UTC+2, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

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Jay_Chubb · June 4, 2014, 6:06pm

Hi there, I’m Jay from Nest Coworking in Melbourne. I actually came over there and met you at Citizen Space 2 years ago. Hi! I’ve heard great things about Lockitron as a product and it would elegantly some all our access problems here, but I thought everyone was just waiting for it, late on shipping. If there was any way you could get us access to one, we’d be mighty grateful!

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On 05/06/2014 4:00 AM, “Citizen Space- Member Services Desk” [email protected] wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

This email is for anyone who is interested in Lockitron. We (Citizen Space) have had a long history with Positron since 2010. We were lucky to have them as members, and be one of the earliest users (for better or worst). I have also installed one of the more sophisticated implementations of the product at our sister space, Connection SF. The product is stable, and our members absolutely love it. If you have any specific questions about the product, drop us an email directly at [email protected] , or if you need an inside connect to get you a lock NOW because you need it for your space.

You can also come check the product and meet the founders at the Coworking Week 2014 in SF August 2nd-9th. If you would like to participate, you can still grab 100% FREE tickets until this Friday at http://coworkingweek2014.eventbrite.com/

Any space operators or brands interested in organizing your own Coworking week event, or sponsoring ours can join our organizers conference call next week by emailing us your contact info, and we will add you to the email list of organizers.

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On 6/4/14, 3:25 AM, “Cristina Santamarina” [email protected] wrote:

I’ve been stuck with a blog post and page for our learn.cobot.me page for ages.

I (really) hate locks by now.

But have anyone here tried any of the following access system?

Intellify

Lockitron (unsure if they are out yet…)

August

Usher

On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:42:21 UTC+2, Jeannine wrote:

Double coffee spit on the crackhead.

We presently have a regular key lock at all locations, which is not a huge problem since there is almost always somebody in the space (or the space is always staffed) so we just have to coordinate who is on front. But at Kamer52 I want to try a keypad, mostly because I am gone all summer to the US and this means that the evening shift has to be staffed by somebody other than me --Kamer52 for those who dont know, is attached to my house so since I live here the evening shift is fairly straightforward.

We just had a break in this week so I have to replace the lock anyway The locksmith guy I got to change the lock is recommending a keypad coupled with a keyed lock, to which only we have a key. So we would have to physically unlock the door in the morning and lock it again in the evening.

It looks like programming will not be a problem, it does not I think track who was there and who was not, but I am not sure we really need that, since we know each other anyway. It might have been nice for ease of billing for the occasionals but K52, not being urban, doesn’t have those that often. I think that might be the difference.

What I really want is an Arudino open system too, but at the moment I haven’t got the time to invest in another hobby. I am considering having my spouse (who teaches IT) offer it to some of his graduating students as a project, I could take them on as interns I think.

Actually, if anybody else is still interested in this also we could probably develop it in a collaborative way. You do get better interns like that. Let me know!

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:35:48 PM UTC+2, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

Locks that Cohere has used.

A regular door lock that uses a key.

I don’t recommend this. It’s cumbersome to issue keys, get the keys back, remember to lock and unlock the door. If you’re staffed all the time, you don’t have to worry about this. Cohere is largely unstaffed.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-FE575-PLY-626-ELA/dp/B001COEZTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812326&sr=8-2&keywords=schlage+keyless

For interior door that members use to get in to the coworking space.

Pros-easy to program, easy to use, keypad lights up

Cons-it relocks every time the door closes so members have to code in every time (considering our patio, breakroom, conference room and bathrooms on on the other side of the door they’re coding in A LOT)

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-Wireless-Keypad-Lock-Nickel/dp/B001NEK6JM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812418&sr=8-11&keywords=schlage+keyless+commercial

We had the link-less version of this on our exterior door at our first space. It was easy to program. Each member got their own code so I could delete them when they left and you could put a code in at the start of the day that would keep the door open until you put the code back in at night.

Pros-pretty easy to program, I liked the continuous pass through feature

Cons-only works well if staff can remember to unlock/lock it each day

http://www.amazon.com/Codelock-0460-SS-Narrow-CL0460/dp/B0082WO7GQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812556&sr=8-1&keywords=narrow+stile+codelock

This is what we just installed on our interior aluminum storefront doors. This is a mechanical lock which makes it cheaper but you can only have ONE code at a time and you really have to press the numbers to make them work.

Pros-no batteries or fancy bells and whistles. The cheapest storefront narrow stile lock you can get. It looks nice

Cons-you have to remove the lock completely to change the code <—yikes. It’s best to have a real locksmith install this badboy. Keypad doesn’t light up and our hallway is dark-ish. It got installed kind of low on the door so you really have to bend over to punch in the numbers.

http://www.amazon.com/Alarm-Lock-Trilogy-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B001IADJ4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401812968&sr=8-1&keywords=dl2800

This guy is a show-off. You can program it 6 ways to Sunday but you never will because it’s ridiculous.

Pro-get your landlord to pay for this one It’s commercial quality, solid and works like a charm. You can program it a thousand different ways if you have a degree in commercial code programming.

Cons-you have to have a disk in a computer that actually has a disk drive and then hook up your computer to the lock with a little cable. You change everything in the computer program then push the info into the lock via the cable. I have done this exactly 3 times in 2 years and plan to never do it again unless some crackhead unjoins Cohere and we fear for our security. If that happens, we have bigger problems then just our door lock.

On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:55:53 AM UTC-6, Jay Chubb wrote:

Actually I’m just on this post right now, I’m totally dying for some info! I’m on a tight budget after a huge fitout and I’m stuck using old school keys. Someone in Melbourne has a Lockitron prototype and they say it works great, but it and Goji just seem vaporware with these huge delays. I’m also not super technical, so some of the roll your own stuff feels way beyond me. Can’t wait for your response!

Cheers, Jay

On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59:03 PM UTC+10, Angel Kwiatkowski wrote:

I’m going to reply to this in detail soon. I promise. I have SO many opinions and have now tried 5 different kinds of locks. Stay tuned! I bet you’re just wetting your pants with anticipation!

On Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:09:34 PM UTC-6, Jacob Sayles wrote:

Hello,

The topic of electronic (RFID) door locks has come up a few times and I wanted to revisit it. Who out there now is looking for a solution? Who is keeping an eye out for something cool to come along and interested if one does?

Jacob

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Andy_Soell · June 6, 2014, 9:49pm

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.

http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I'm always a little wary of newer, untested products.

Rachel_Cline · July 13, 2014, 3:43am

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

···

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

Andy_Soell · July 14, 2014, 1:30pm

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

···

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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Rachel_Cline · July 14, 2014, 1:34pm

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

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On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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Citizen_Space · July 14, 2014, 5:03pm

Re: [Coworking] Who’s shopping for electronic door locks?
Hi Everyone,

I know this is a reoccurring subject, so I wanted to stress how much we LOVE Lockitron here at Citizen Space. The cost is very affordable for a small space, for larger spaces they have a “commercial” version which we will have at Coworking Week next month. They don’t charge any fees for “keys” , so as a coworking space you don’t need to worry about can you manager 10 members, or 2000. If your really interested in learning more & some hands on time, come on down to SF for the Shared Economy Hackathon which is totally FREE & sponsored by Lockitron & Apigee. Register for FREE SF Coworking Week tickets sponsored by our latest sponsor: https://twitter.com/ECOsystmSF launching in SF during Coworking Week 2014.

Get Tickets here: https://coworkingweek2014.eventbrite.com/ use code: #ecosystem

If you are interested in hosting your own Coworking Week event, you can get all the info in this Google Group: Redirecting to Google Groups

Anyone interested in sponsoring, or speaking at the Unconference on Saturday, August 9th, please email [email protected] , or call 415-501-9155

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On 7/14/14, 6:30 AM, “Andy Soell” [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.

http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

jacobsayles · July 14, 2014, 5:17pm

I’m down here in San Francisco now, knee deep in renovations for The Red Victorian and working on their door lock solution. We don’t want to use any smart phone systems (Kevo, Lockitron, August, etc) because we can’t know for sure what kind of phone our guests will have, if they will even have phones, or if they are charged when they arrive. We want to go with a personalized key code that can be generated and emailed to them using the reservation system we built. For that we are hooking up the existing electric strike on the front gate to a raspberry pi and a wiegand keypad. The next bit of magic will be to hook up each room with a Kwikset SmartCode lock and push the generated code to the given room, and turn off the previous occupants code.

The advantages of going with the Kwikset are that it can use the existing lock tumblers so we can keep the large amount of room keys we already have. Also at around $120-$150 the price is right for outfitting 20+ doors. People have been getting really excited about the idea of outfitting each door with a raspberry pi but by the time we get power, servos, and a durable enclosure hooked up it’s going to be a lot more expensive. One pi at the front door calling all the shots is all we need. Of course I have to figure out how to send the key codes to each door so there is more R&D needed. I’m also working to figure out the Wiegand protocol to hook up the keypad. If anyone has played with this, please reach out.

···

Jacob

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:34 AM, rachel cline [email protected] wrote:

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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Andy_Soell · July 14, 2014, 5:23pm

As long as we’re back on electronic locks, we’re looking for a good solution for our new location. The existing door is glass with a narrow stile frame that won’t accommodate a standard deadbolt sized solution. If you search for door-code style locks for door like this on Amazon, you get a lot of results but none of them with enough purchases to figure out if they’re good or not. Angel mentioned one earlier in this thread that would work, but it wasn’t very favorably reviewed by her. Does anyone have any tips on a door code lock like this that they would recommend? I definitely want something with easily programmable codes we can give our members and not fobs or smartphone integration.

andy

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On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:17:49 PM UTC-4, Jacob Sayles wrote:

I’m down here in San Francisco now, knee deep in renovations for The Red Victorian and working on their door lock solution. We don’t want to use any smart phone systems (Kevo, Lockitron, August, etc) because we can’t know for sure what kind of phone our guests will have, if they will even have phones, or if they are charged when they arrive. We want to go with a personalized key code that can be generated and emailed to them using the reservation system we built. For that we are hooking up the existing electric strike on the front gate to a raspberry pi and a wiegand keypad. The next bit of magic will be to hook up each room with a Kwikset SmartCode lock and push the generated code to the given room, and turn off the previous occupants code.

The advantages of going with the Kwikset are that it can use the existing lock tumblers so we can keep the large amount of room keys we already have. Also at around $120-$150 the price is right for outfitting 20+ doors. People have been getting really excited about the idea of outfitting each door with a raspberry pi but by the time we get power, servos, and a durable enclosure hooked up it’s going to be a lot more expensive. One pi at the front door calling all the shots is all we need. Of course I have to figure out how to send the key codes to each door so there is more R&D needed. I’m also working to figure out the Wiegand protocol to hook up the keypad. If anyone has played with this, please reach out.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:34 AM, rachel cline [email protected] wrote:

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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Kenton_Hansen · July 14, 2014, 5:37pm

We lucked out with our building. It was used as a realty office before, so it had a electronic keypad lock from Simplex

I like it overall.

Pros:
Made for the thin doors like you’re describing
six digit codes are all that it takes to open the door, no key, no fob, no additional cost
programmable actions like “If a code from this group is entered on a weekday between 7am and 9am, unlock the door” and “auto lock at 5pm” so the space is open even if I’m on vacation, and it doesn’t stay open on a holiday.
I have a csv file in my dropbox so I can send anyone a keycode for any reason if I want (as long as I keep track of who has which)
4 year on the same watch battery
Cons
The software for mine requires a physical connection to the lock (so I just generate 150 codes at a time, makes lock maintenance a quarterly project). I think the current locks have wifi.
the software for mine only runs on Windows XP

jacobsayles · July 14, 2014, 5:56pm

For something like that Andy you probably want to focus on if the door jam can hold and electric strike. They are easier to deal with actually but residential products focus on the deadbolt because that is a standard residential doors. We have a lot more to work with in commercial spaces.

As for codes vs RFID vs physical keys vs phones: It’s important to understand the advantages and disadvantages each brings to the situation. The RedVic need codes we can email people like I described, but I’m generally against codes as they are too easy to copy, pass on, overhear, etc. Keys are too hard to revoke and change so at Office Nomads we go with RFID. Phone solutions I’m sure work great here in tech savvy San Francisco so I’m not surprised at all they work great for you Toby. I wonder how that would work even in Seattle and it makes me wonder what I would come up with if I looked at the phones of every member that had a key. We already have an RFID solution so that would mostly be academic.

···

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

As long as we’re back on electronic locks, we’re looking for a good solution for our new location. The existing door is glass with a narrow stile frame that won’t accommodate a standard deadbolt sized solution. If you search for door-code style locks for door like this on Amazon, you get a lot of results but none of them with enough purchases to figure out if they’re good or not. Angel mentioned one earlier in this thread that would work, but it wasn’t very favorably reviewed by her. Does anyone have any tips on a door code lock like this that they would recommend? I definitely want something with easily programmable codes we can give our members and not fobs or smartphone integration.

andy

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:17:49 PM UTC-4, Jacob Sayles wrote:

I’m down here in San Francisco now, knee deep in renovations for The Red Victorian and working on their door lock solution. We don’t want to use any smart phone systems (Kevo, Lockitron, August, etc) because we can’t know for sure what kind of phone our guests will have, if they will even have phones, or if they are charged when they arrive. We want to go with a personalized key code that can be generated and emailed to them using the reservation system we built. For that we are hooking up the existing electric strike on the front gate to a raspberry pi and a wiegand keypad. The next bit of magic will be to hook up each room with a Kwikset SmartCode lock and push the generated code to the given room, and turn off the previous occupants code.

The advantages of going with the Kwikset are that it can use the existing lock tumblers so we can keep the large amount of room keys we already have. Also at around $120-$150 the price is right for outfitting 20+ doors. People have been getting really excited about the idea of outfitting each door with a raspberry pi but by the time we get power, servos, and a durable enclosure hooked up it’s going to be a lot more expensive. One pi at the front door calling all the shots is all we need. Of course I have to figure out how to send the key codes to each door so there is more R&D needed. I’m also working to figure out the Wiegand protocol to hook up the keypad. If anyone has played with this, please reach out.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:34 AM, rachel cline [email protected] wrote:

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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Citizen_Space · July 14, 2014, 6:03pm

Re: [Coworking] Who’s shopping for electronic door locks?
For the Connections SF Space I did implement Lockitron using a strike plate, also tied FOB’s to the system which could also be used for your hotel room door, and to access the workspace doors. For members of the workspace only, they use mobile devices to access the building of the hotel, and the door into the workspace. They also have an API, so you can integrate into any existing reservations systems, etc.

Jacob,

What are doing in SF? Make sure you come by to catch up, and please plan on having lunch one day in our Food Truck park directly next door to Citizen Space on 2nd.

Toby

···

On 7/14/14, 10:56 AM, “Jacob Sayles” [email protected] wrote:

For something like that Andy you probably want to focus on if the door jam can hold and electric strike. They are easier to deal with actually but residential products focus on the deadbolt because that is a standard residential doors. We have a lot more to work with in commercial spaces.

As for codes vs RFID vs physical keys vs phones: It’s important to understand the advantages and disadvantages each brings to the situation. The RedVic need codes we can email people like I described, but I’m generally against codes as they are too easy to copy, pass on, overhear, etc. Keys are too hard to revoke and change so at Office Nomads we go with RFID. Phone solutions I’m sure work great here in tech savvy San Francisco so I’m not surprised at all they work great for you Toby. I wonder how that would work even in Seattle and it makes me wonder what I would come up with if I looked at the phones of every member that had a key. We already have an RFID solution so that would mostly be academic.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation

http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

As long as we’re back on electronic locks, we’re looking for a good solution for our new location. The existing door is glass with a narrow stile http://www.customstorefronts.com/products/doors/aluminum/aluminum.htm frame that won’t accommodate a standard deadbolt sized solution. If you search for door-code style locks for door like this on Amazon, you get a lot of results but none of them with enough purchases to figure out if they’re good or not. Angel mentioned one earlier in this thread that would work, but it wasn’t very favorably reviewed by her. Does anyone have any tips on a door code lock like this that they would recommend? I definitely want something with easily programmable codes we can give our members and not fobs or smartphone integration.

andy

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:17:49 PM UTC-4, Jacob Sayles wrote:

I’m down here in San Francisco now, knee deep in renovations for The Red Victorian http://www.redvic.com and working on their door lock solution. We don’t want to use any smart phone systems (Kevo, Lockitron, August, etc) because we can’t know for sure what kind of phone our guests will have, if they will even have phones, or if they are charged when they arrive. We want to go with a personalized key code that can be generated and emailed to them using the reservation system we built. For that we are hooking up the existing electric strike on the front gate to a raspberry pi and a wiegand keypad. The next bit of magic will be to hook up each room with a Kwikset SmartCode lock and push the generated code to the given room, and turn off the previous occupants code.

The advantages of going with the Kwikset are that it can use the existing lock tumblers so we can keep the large amount of room keys we already have. Also at around $120-$150 the price is right for outfitting 20+ doors. People have been getting really excited about the idea of outfitting each door with a raspberry pi but by the time we get power, servos, and a durable enclosure hooked up it’s going to be a lot more expensive. One pi at the front door calling all the shots is all we need. Of course I have to figure out how to send the key codes to each door so there is more R&D needed. I’m also working to figure out the Wiegand protocol to hook up the keypad. If anyone has played with this, please reach out.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation

http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 tel:(206)%20323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:34 AM, rachel cline [email protected] wrote:

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.

http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

Toby_Krout · July 16, 2014, 2:17am

My recommendation: Chui

Facial recognition door access, for $199. Works with Lockitron.

-Toby

Full disclosure: investor

(+ co-working space owner)

···

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Citizen Space- Member Services Desk [email protected] wrote:

On 7/14/14, 10:56 AM, “Jacob Sayles” [email protected] wrote:

For the Connections SF Space I did implement Lockitron using a strike plate, also tied FOB’s to the system which could also be used for your hotel room door, and to access the workspace doors. For members of the workspace only, they use mobile devices to access the building of the hotel, and the door into the workspace. They also have an API, so you can integrate into any existing reservations systems, etc.

Jacob,

What are doing in SF? Make sure you come by to catch up, and please plan on having lunch one day in our Food Truck park directly next door to Citizen Space on 2nd.

Toby

For something like that Andy you probably want to focus on if the door jam can hold and electric strike. They are easier to deal with actually but residential products focus on the deadbolt because that is a standard residential doors. We have a lot more to work with in commercial spaces.

As for codes vs RFID vs physical keys vs phones: It’s important to understand the advantages and disadvantages each brings to the situation. The RedVic need codes we can email people like I described, but I’m generally against codes as they are too easy to copy, pass on, overhear, etc. Keys are too hard to revoke and change so at Office Nomads we go with RFID. Phone solutions I’m sure work great here in tech savvy San Francisco so I’m not surprised at all they work great for you Toby. I wonder how that would work even in Seattle and it makes me wonder what I would come up with if I looked at the phones of every member that had a key. We already have an RFID solution so that would mostly be academic.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation

http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

andy

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:17:49 PM UTC-4, Jacob Sayles wrote:

As long as we’re back on electronic locks, we’re looking for a good solution for our new location. The existing door is glass with a narrow stile http://www.customstorefronts.com/products/doors/aluminum/aluminum.htm frame that won’t accommodate a standard deadbolt sized solution. If you search for door-code style locks for door like this on Amazon, you get a lot of results but none of them with enough purchases to figure out if they’re good or not. Angel mentioned one earlier in this thread that would work, but it wasn’t very favorably reviewed by her. Does anyone have any tips on a door code lock like this that they would recommend? I definitely want something with easily programmable codes we can give our members and not fobs or smartphone integration.

The advantages of going with the Kwikset are that it can use the existing lock tumblers so we can keep the large amount of room keys we already have. Also at around $120-$150 the price is right for outfitting 20+ doors. People have been getting really excited about the idea of outfitting each door with a raspberry pi but by the time we get power, servos, and a durable enclosure hooked up it’s going to be a lot more expensive. One pi at the front door calling all the shots is all we need. Of course I have to figure out how to send the key codes to each door so there is more R&D needed. I’m also working to figure out the Wiegand protocol to hook up the keypad. If anyone has played with this, please reach out.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:34 AM, rachel cline [email protected] wrote:

I’m down here in San Francisco now, knee deep in renovations for The Red Victorian http://www.redvic.com and working on their door lock solution. We don’t want to use any smart phone systems (Kevo, Lockitron, August, etc) because we can’t know for sure what kind of phone our guests will have, if they will even have phones, or if they are charged when they arrive. We want to go with a personalized key code that can be generated and emailed to them using the reservation system we built. For that we are hooking up the existing electric strike on the front gate to a raspberry pi and a wiegand keypad. The next bit of magic will be to hook up each room with a Kwikset SmartCode lock and push the generated code to the given room, and turn off the previous occupants code.http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 tel:(206)%20323-6500

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.

http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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Jorge_Vargas · July 28, 2014, 1:35am

Hey Andy,

We have that same problem here our front door is glass. Our solution is good and works however it’s terrible software. ok not terrible but outdated well not outdated but I"m a techy so it’s bad for me. Anyhow the whole installation was about 1500USD and the keycards go at about 2-3USD each, we got 100 so that’s like 1200 for the hardware plus installation. I’m sure you can get your local distributor to make a quote http://rbh-access.com/products/integra32/software. With proximity readers and a

the good

We don’t have to deal with access.
New staffer can greed people by their name cause the software says so and so logged in.
You can set access times for everyone
can grow A LOT. It’s what’s used in our building (16 stories about 50 or more readers and this is an small installation)

the bad

if there is a power outage (no matter how minimal) your door will be wide open.
Some members leave and never turn down their key which is a lost.
It’s desktop software that works only on windows. Although I just noticed they have a web something… will look into that.
No API of any kind, data is stored in access YUK.

···

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

As long as we’re back on electronic locks, we’re looking for a good solution for our new location. The existing door is glass with a narrow stile frame that won’t accommodate a standard deadbolt sized solution. If you search for door-code style locks for door like this on Amazon, you get a lot of results but none of them with enough purchases to figure out if they’re good or not. Angel mentioned one earlier in this thread that would work, but it wasn’t very favorably reviewed by her. Does anyone have any tips on a door code lock like this that they would recommend? I definitely want something with easily programmable codes we can give our members and not fobs or smartphone integration.

andy

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:17:49 PM UTC-4, Jacob Sayles wrote:

I’m down here in San Francisco now, knee deep in renovations for The Red Victorian and working on their door lock solution. We don’t want to use any smart phone systems (Kevo, Lockitron, August, etc) because we can’t know for sure what kind of phone our guests will have, if they will even have phones, or if they are charged when they arrive. We want to go with a personalized key code that can be generated and emailed to them using the reservation system we built. For that we are hooking up the existing electric strike on the front gate to a raspberry pi and a wiegand keypad. The next bit of magic will be to hook up each room with a Kwikset SmartCode lock and push the generated code to the given room, and turn off the previous occupants code.

The advantages of going with the Kwikset are that it can use the existing lock tumblers so we can keep the large amount of room keys we already have. Also at around $120-$150 the price is right for outfitting 20+ doors. People have been getting really excited about the idea of outfitting each door with a raspberry pi but by the time we get power, servos, and a durable enclosure hooked up it’s going to be a lot more expensive. One pi at the front door calling all the shots is all we need. Of course I have to figure out how to send the key codes to each door so there is more R&D needed. I’m also working to figure out the Wiegand protocol to hook up the keypad. If anyone has played with this, please reach out.

Jacob

Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation
http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:34 AM, rachel cline [email protected] wrote:

Rachel Cline

702-577-8627

Good info, I saw the fobs cost about $25, I didn’t notice you had to pay for each virtual key also.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Andy Soell [email protected] wrote:

The one thing I would recommend, if you’re looking at Kevo, is to make sure you understand how their “ekey” pricing model works. Unless I’m grossly misunderstanding, it looks like the way it works is that you have to pay for packs of virtual “keys” to give to people before they can unlock it with their phone. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the hardware and then pay again for each user you want to be able to unlock the hardware. If you have a lot of members, the cost for the Kevo system could end up being quite a bit higher than expected if you were only looking at the cost of the hardware.

On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Rachel Cline [email protected] wrote:

Kevo looks great! thanks for sharing. Have you found any additional information or reviews?

On Friday, June 6, 2014 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, Andy Soell wrote:

Love all these reviews, thanks for all the guidance everyone! Does anyone have any experience with a newer Bluetooth-enabled locked called Kevo? Works with iOS devices, and also supports key fobs for users with other mobile phone platforms.
http://www.kwikset.com/Kevo/

Looks promising, but I’m always a little wary of newer, untested products.

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