Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
The issue relates to ADA compliance, not the performance capability of the dishwasher.
So yes, commercial dishwasher is typically required.
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On Jun 10, 2018, at 8:20 AM, VillageOne [email protected] wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
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When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility.
But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
Did the building specify exactly what they meant by “commercial”? Or did they just mean, “not cheap”?
The dishwashers I’ve seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not something I’ve ever seen in an office setting.
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
My building don’t have issue about what kind of dishwasher I am going to use, but I am just wondering are there any regulatory department from the government would check on us and be very specific about it. But I am not running a food business or a bar, so I believe that residential dishwasher should be good for office setting, of course, I want to be sure about it.
Can any co-working owner give me some advice? or tell me what kind of dishwasher are you using?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin [email protected] wrote:
When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility.
But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
Did the building specify exactly what they meant by “commercial”? Or did they just mean, “not cheap”?
The dishwashers I’ve seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not something I’ve ever seen in an office setting.
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
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This caught me off guard when we renovated our most recent space too, I think since our past buildings were mixed-use and this was our first purely commercial building.
The ADA laws are around the counter height, not the dishwasher itself. But because the ADA counter height is a bit lower than the “normal” residential height, regular dishwashers just won’t fit.
I had done a lot of research on quiet + efficient dishwashers for my home a few years ago and found a Bosch series that I really liked…and it turns out they have an ADA compatible version. You can find the model/specs here: https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/SGE68U55UC.html
The selection of ADA height washers is smaller, but again the internals aren’t really any different. Just the height so they can fit under the counter.
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin [email protected] wrote:
When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility.
But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
Did the building specify exactly what they meant by “commercial”? Or did they just mean, “not cheap”?
The dishwashers I’ve seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not something I’ve ever seen in an office setting.
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
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It sounds like some random Joe Citizen told you this is necessary. What did your city’s regulatory department say when you asked them about the requirement? Without that knowledge, your concern is hand-wringing based only on hearsay. Talk to the city. Most times, these departments want to see businesses succeed and are happy to help when you’re being proactive and responsible to make sure your business complies with code. Ask for a URL to the section of code they cite so you can review it and make sure it really applies to you and not a restaurant.
If I had to guess, I’d say the initial comment to you was made by someone confusing a “break room in a commercial building” with a “commercial kitchen”. In my city/state, there’s a very different set of requirements for each - health code inspections being one. YMMV. As Jaques offers, they may have been referring to a water temp requirement. We raised the temp for our “residential” dishwasher and passed inspection with no problem.
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin [email protected] wrote:
When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility.
But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
Did the building specify exactly what they meant by “commercial”? Or did they just mean, “not cheap”?
The dishwashers I’ve seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not something I’ve ever seen in an office setting.
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
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I’ll try to clarify the related issues.
ADA is mostly about spatial compliance, so yes, heights, clearances.
Be careful about a manufacturer’s claim that their dishwasher is compliant. The main point is that the counter height needs to be 34” max (https://goo.gl/images/DLzp4U), and once you subtract out the counter thickness, that dishwasher might have to be 32-33”, plus some slack space…1/4”?
I don’t think building codes are clear about this, and as a licensed architect, there’s some room for debate.
ADA-compliant counters are meant for businesses that require kitchen counters to do business, ie., restaurants.
Offices do NOT need kitchen counters, so therefore, I don’t think requires to comply.
as for temperature, again, I don’t agree that offices are at all “food service establishments” [FSE] (aka restaurants), so I would not think that the health dept should and would get involved. If they were to, I would argue against being an FSE that would then require compliance with water temp.
In general, I’ve taken the safe road to expedite permitting, and well, laws aside, I think it’s the right thing to do to make our space inclusive to all, including the disabled.
BTW, regardless if your building or even your floor is mixed use, your actual space is what counts, and since all coworking spaces are commercial spaces, they must comply to commercial building codes - NOT residential.
As for “getting caught,” 2 folks can enforce this rule: a building dept inspector, and anyone in the public who knows about ADA. There are unfortunately people out there that sue just for non-ADA compliance as their jobs. They mostly cite restaurants.
Bottom line: it’s better to get an ADA-compliant dishwasher than to fight splitting of hairs.
JEROME CHANG, architect
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin [email protected] wrote:
When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility.
But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
Did the building specify exactly what they meant by “commercial”? Or did they just mean, “not cheap”?
The dishwashers I’ve seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not something I’ve ever seen in an office setting.
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
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Thank you all!!! for providing information about this issue, I will do some research about the code.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Glen Ferguson [email protected] wrote:
It sounds like some random Joe Citizen told you this is necessary. What did your city’s regulatory department say when you asked them about the requirement? Without that knowledge, your concern is hand-wringing based only on hearsay. Talk to the city. Most times, these departments want to see businesses succeed and are happy to help when you’re being proactive and responsible to make sure your business complies with code. Ask for a URL to the section of code they cite so you can review it and make sure it really applies to you and not a restaurant.
Glen Ferguson
Phone: 301-732-5165
Email: [email protected]
Website: https://www.coworkfrederick.com
If I had to guess, I’d say the initial comment to you was made by someone confusing a “break room in a commercial building” with a “commercial kitchen”. In my city/state, there’s a very different set of requirements for each - health code inspections being one. YMMV. As Jaques offers, they may have been referring to a water temp requirement. We raised the temp for our “residential” dishwasher and passed inspection with no problem.
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VillageOne Space LLC
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T: 732-500-4824
E:vivie…@villageone.nyc
CoWorking Space for Creative Minds
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin [email protected] wrote:
When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility.
But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
Did the building specify exactly what they meant by “commercial”? Or did they just mean, “not cheap”?
The dishwashers I’ve seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not something I’ve ever seen in an office setting.
On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher because this is the regulatory department’s requirement by a shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? I’d appreciated any advices, thanks!
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