Competing Spaces

We’ve tried a few different things over the years.

We’ve pooled resources to participate in a tradeshow at our local Small Business Forum, and to attend a Sharing Economy Event.

It’s hard to measure the impact of our presence, but for a few hundred dollars we talked to a thousand potential new members in just one day.

Most had never heard of cow-working…

Plus it was nice to have a team of people to help staff the booth :slight_smile:

I happen to think our website is actually the most effective tool.

We built it ourselves and volunteer to maintain it, so the cost is pretty minimal.

Now when you search for Coworking in Toronto, you find ALL of the coworking options via the collective website, rather than just a few of them that may not suit you.

We all notice a lot of traffic being referred to the individual spaces from that site.

We also use social media to advertise and promote coworking in general (twitter etc).

When an article gets published, there are 15 of us sharing it and talking about it, rather than just one space.

We have done a few print runs of our collective postcards and these are also extremely cost effective and helpful.

Every space in Toronto has them available on site.

When someone arrives for a tour of our space, I always give them a collective postcard so they know who we are and that there are many coworking options in Toronto.

That way if the member is not right for your space or the space is not right for this member, they won’t leave feeling that coworking isn’t right for them.

They will know there are many options to choose from, and that there is a community out there for them.

With the postcard, they get referred back to the collective website once again - our central point for collective communications.

Although we’ve considered larger campaigns, to date we do most things with volunteers or on a pretty minimal budget.

For example: collaboratively writing press releases, organizing a local Coworking Week.

It’s not necessarily the amount of money that makes an impact, it’s the collaborative effort.

Leverage your minds, your staff and your volunteers as well as your wallets :slight_smile:

Ashley

···

On 8 October 2014 00:27, Ashley Proctor [email protected] wrote:

When we launched our first spaces, there were few others in the market.

We spent the majority of our time explaining the concept, a lot of effort on education and outreach.

As more and more spaces launched in our city, we definitely all began to benefit from the mainstream recognition, as well as the new opportunity to collaborate with each other.

You have a choice to ‘compete’ or to ‘collaborate’.

I feel our unique coworking communities in Toronto have a lot in common, and a lot to offer each other in terms of support, advice and experience.

I believe our Coworking Toronto and Coworking Ontario collectives are similar to this google group - we genuinely like each other and want each other to succeed.

We are all fiercely independent, but I think we all gravitated towards participating in a regional collective because were all facing similar challenges, and were looking for other like-mided friends, mentors and colleagues to connect with in Toronto. The same way our members want to connect.

We can also benefit from collective advertising (the concept rather than the space) and our members benefit when we leverage collective bargaining power to create programs like COHIP.

We might have different missions and mandates and markets, but we can agree that we all want our members to be happy and healthy and productive.

Since coworking spaces in Toronto and Ontario began collaborating, we’ve seen a steady increase in coworking awareness, and community participation in our events.

Since launching a collective website, we’ve seen more traffic, more tours, more media attention and more members.

Our spaces are all better spaces and our communities are all stronger communities because we share best practices.

And yes, the market is growing along with the number of active spaces.

It’s a beautiful cycle of supply and demand.

If coworking is truly the future of work as we claim, I can’t see a saturation point here anytime soon…

Choose to be a champion and a collaborator rather than a competitor when you arrive, and introduce yourself as such.

Then start to imagine what’s possible if you work together.

Ashley

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On 2014-10-07, at 6:50 PM, Aaron Cruikshank wrote:

One perspective to consider is what is the total addressable market? Vancouver has many coworking spaces and I get asked often by the media if I think the coworking market in Vancouver is saturated.

By my math, if you consider every micro entrepreneur as a potential user, Vancouver is addressing around 1.5% of the total addressable market. Far from saturated, surely.

Yet some of these spaces are struggling to fill desks. The problem isn’t the size of the market - it’s lack of knowledge in the potential market about coworking.

More spaces = more potential awareness. There must be some critical mass in a city or region that pushes coworking from obscurity to mainstream recognition.

Thoughts?


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On Oct 7, 2014 3:25 PM, “Jonathan Markwell” [email protected] wrote:

This has been a common question over the years in my relatively small city (Brighton, England population 273,400). I’ve just written about it and created a checklist for future community founders to consider here:

http://jonathanmarkwell.com/2014/10/06/multiple-coworking-spaces/

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On 3 March 2013 18:20, Cameron Goldsmith [email protected] wrote:

Curious how everyone feels about cities that have multiple coworking spots… Do you think this is generally a good idea? I know competition is supposed to be good for the market, but what if the city is small??

Im asking because I’m looking to relocate soon. The city Im interested in, St. Louis, already has a coworking spot. Ive been looking and researching to open one for awhile now, but am now hesitant after finding out StL has a fairly large spot already.

Do you think this is something that is sustainable, or do you feel like I would be stepping on the toes of a community catalyst by opening a new business doing a very similar thing?

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It’s great to see you’re considering coworking with your local space owners and managers, Jonathan.

It starts with friendly outreach. Have an idea of what you want your local organisation/collective/association to be like, and share that vision with the others. Let them know that you want to discard competition in favour of collaboration, illustrate some examples of other groups (Seattle, Denver, Toronto, etc) and what they’ve done, and then set a date and time to get together for a beer to discuss it. You can make it as formal or casual as you want.

That’s what we did for CoworkingToronto and CoworkingOntario. We’ve learned a lot over time, but it still comes down to a person talking to another person - which we’re used to in our own coworking spaces!

You’ll get resistance from some, but unbridled buy-in from others. And over time you can grow that group, strengthening your local coworking community.

r.

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On 8 October 2014 06:43, Jonathan Markwell [email protected] wrote:

Aaron - that’s a good point. I think the numbers are very similar in most cities.

I’m not sure what critical mass is but after 6 years and around a dozen coworking spaces created in Brighton I’m still regularly meet people who have never heard of coworking.

Ashely - I’ve been wondering if it might be worth pooling resources here and trying local advertising to spread the word. Can you share more about what worked for you on that front and what didn’t. How much time and money did you all spend on it?

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On 8 October 2014 00:27, Ashley Proctor [email protected] wrote:

When we launched our first spaces, there were few others in the market.

We spent the majority of our time explaining the concept, a lot of effort on education and outreach.

As more and more spaces launched in our city, we definitely all began to benefit from the mainstream recognition, as well as the new opportunity to collaborate with each other.

You have a choice to ‘compete’ or to ‘collaborate’.

I feel our unique coworking communities in Toronto have a lot in common, and a lot to offer each other in terms of support, advice and experience.

I believe our Coworking Toronto and Coworking Ontario collectives are similar to this google group - we genuinely like each other and want each other to succeed.

We are all fiercely independent, but I think we all gravitated towards participating in a regional collective because were all facing similar challenges, and were looking for other like-mided friends, mentors and colleagues to connect with in Toronto. The same way our members want to connect.

We can also benefit from collective advertising (the concept rather than the space) and our members benefit when we leverage collective bargaining power to create programs like COHIP.

We might have different missions and mandates and markets, but we can agree that we all want our members to be happy and healthy and productive.

Since coworking spaces in Toronto and Ontario began collaborating, we’ve seen a steady increase in coworking awareness, and community participation in our events.

Since launching a collective website, we’ve seen more traffic, more tours, more media attention and more members.

Our spaces are all better spaces and our communities are all stronger communities because we share best practices.

And yes, the market is growing along with the number of active spaces.

It’s a beautiful cycle of supply and demand.

If coworking is truly the future of work as we claim, I can’t see a saturation point here anytime soon…

Choose to be a champion and a collaborator rather than a competitor when you arrive, and introduce yourself as such.

Then start to imagine what’s possible if you work together.

Ashley

Ashley Proctor

Creative Blueprint & Foundery
www.creativeblueprint.ca
www.foundery.is

The Foundery Buildings

376 Bathurst Street

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

On 2014-10-07, at 6:50 PM, Aaron Cruikshank wrote:

One perspective to consider is what is the total addressable market? Vancouver has many coworking spaces and I get asked often by the media if I think the coworking market in Vancouver is saturated.

By my math, if you consider every micro entrepreneur as a potential user, Vancouver is addressing around 1.5% of the total addressable market. Far from saturated, surely.

Yet some of these spaces are struggling to fill desks. The problem isn’t the size of the market - it’s lack of knowledge in the potential market about coworking.

More spaces = more potential awareness. There must be some critical mass in a city or region that pushes coworking from obscurity to mainstream recognition.

Thoughts?


Aaron Cruikshank

Principal, CRUIKSHANK

Phone: 778.908.4560

email: [email protected]

web: cruikshank.me

twitter: @cruikshank

book a meeting: doodle.com/cruikshank

linkedin: linkedin.com/in/cruikshank

On Oct 7, 2014 3:25 PM, “Jonathan Markwell” [email protected] wrote:

This has been a common question over the years in my relatively small city (Brighton, England population 273,400). I’ve just written about it and created a checklist for future community founders to consider here:

http://jonathanmarkwell.com/2014/10/06/multiple-coworking-spaces/

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On 3 March 2013 18:20, Cameron Goldsmith [email protected] wrote:

Curious how everyone feels about cities that have multiple coworking spots… Do you think this is generally a good idea? I know competition is supposed to be good for the market, but what if the city is small??

Im asking because I’m looking to relocate soon. The city Im interested in, St. Louis, already has a coworking spot. Ive been looking and researching to open one for awhile now, but am now hesitant after finding out StL has a fairly large spot already.

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I’ve worked for a while cataloging and researching coworking spaces…I’ve got some pretty interesting metrics regarding populations and occupancy, so I’ll put in my 2 cents

I’ve found that Coworking is almost a cultural thing - if you cross reference the most populous cities / densest business wise with the number / population of coworking spaces…you don’t find much of a correlation.

Some of the most populous places in the U.S have no coworking spaces, while areas like SF and NYC are littered with them; and for the most part sitting at 60% occupancy or so.

Furthermore, in these cities we actually see coworking spaces lasting much longer; while most coworking places are less than 3 years old, we also see a relatively low lifespan of many places where there are few coworking spaces; that is to say the existence of a coworking environment helps new locations last longer and find a niche to work with.

Essentially what I can conclude is, in places where coworking is known and popular, people have and are will continue to move to these centers as long as they’re competitively priced with something unique to offer.

Also, I’d say comparatively St. Louis is actually one of the smallest coworking spaces per population, it’s likely a great spot for expansion.

Let me know if you’ve got more questions,

Connor

It “takes two to tango” ! We’d love to collaborate with the other coworking spaces in the area, but one of them is hell bent on competing with a “we crush our competition” page on their website with erroneous info about our space and I’m sure others.

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On Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:17:25 PM UTC-5, Tony Bacigalupo wrote:

Look at the office buildings in the St Louis skyline, imagine the 9-to-5 cubicles they’re filled with, and think about how many people are going to be working like that in the next 5, 10, or 20 years.

You and the other folks doing coworking in St. Louis are heralding a future that’s fast apparoaching. Coworking’s not done growing in a city until it’s transformed work as we know it forever.

Your potential competitor is also your potential collaborator. If you both can see it that way, then you can confound people with your friendship and thrive together :slight_smile:

If you spend some time with the folks in this other space, you might likely discover the opportunities for a different community that wouldn’t directly compete-- whether by way of geography, culture, or something else. Handled right, your efforts would compliment the existing ones beautifully.

On Sunday, March 3, 2013, Cameron Goldsmith wrote:

Curious how everyone feels about cities that have multiple coworking spots… Do you think this is generally a good idea? I know competition is supposed to be good for the market, but what if the city is small??

Im asking because I’m looking to relocate soon. The city Im interested in, St. Louis, already has a coworking spot. Ive been looking and researching to open one for awhile now, but am now hesitant after finding out StL has a fairly large spot already.

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So the rest of you can start something wonderful and prove them wrong. Don’t let one bad apple spoil it for the rest of you.

r.

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On 8 Oct 2014 18:02, “Katherine Warman Kern” [email protected] wrote:

It “takes two to tango” ! We’d love to collaborate with the other coworking spaces in the area, but one of them is hell bent on competing with a “we crush our competition” page on their website with erroneous info about our space and I’m sure others.

On Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:17:25 PM UTC-5, Tony Bacigalupo wrote:

Look at the office buildings in the St Louis skyline, imagine the 9-to-5 cubicles they’re filled with, and think about how many people are going to be working like that in the next 5, 10, or 20 years.

You and the other folks doing coworking in St. Louis are heralding a future that’s fast apparoaching. Coworking’s not done growing in a city until it’s transformed work as we know it forever.

Your potential competitor is also your potential collaborator. If you both can see it that way, then you can confound people with your friendship and thrive together :slight_smile:

If you spend some time with the folks in this other space, you might likely discover the opportunities for a different community that wouldn’t directly compete-- whether by way of geography, culture, or something else. Handled right, your efforts would compliment the existing ones beautifully.

On Sunday, March 3, 2013, Cameron Goldsmith wrote:

Curious how everyone feels about cities that have multiple coworking spots… Do you think this is generally a good idea? I know competition is supposed to be good for the market, but what if the city is small??

Im asking because I’m looking to relocate soon. The city Im interested in, St. Louis, already has a coworking spot. Ive been looking and researching to open one for awhile now, but am now hesitant after finding out StL has a fairly large spot already.

Do you think this is something that is sustainable, or do you feel like I would be stepping on the toes of a community catalyst by opening a new business doing a very similar thing?

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Oh, good.

Cause you are. :slight_smile:

http://blog.coworking.com/is-it-a-good-idea-to-have-multiple-coworking-spaces-in-one-city/

···

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:43:47 PM UTC+2, @jot wrote:

Thank you Jeannine!

I’m very happy for it to be reposted to the Coworking Blog.

On 8 October 2014 10:13, Jeannine [email protected] wrote:

Hey, Johnathan, I like that blog post a lot!, thank you for writing it.

When you’re done with it, can we put it on the (new and revitalized!) Coworking Blog?

Let me know, here or via email, Jeannine @ OpenCoworking. org

Thanks again, either way,

Jeannine

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:25:39 AM UTC+2, @jot wrote:

This has been a common question over the years in my relatively small city (Brighton, England population 273,400). I’ve just written about it and created a checklist for future community founders to consider here:

http://jonathanmarkwell.com/2014/10/06/multiple-coworking-spaces/

On 3 March 2013 18:20, Cameron Goldsmith [email protected] wrote:

Curious how everyone feels about cities that have multiple coworking spots… Do you think this is generally a good idea? I know competition is supposed to be good for the market, but what if the city is small??

Im asking because I’m looking to relocate soon. The city Im interested in, St. Louis, already has a coworking spot. Ive been looking and researching to open one for awhile now, but am now hesitant after finding out StL has a fairly large spot already.

Do you think this is something that is sustainable, or do you feel like I would be stepping on the toes of a community catalyst by opening a new business doing a very similar thing?

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Connor - great observations. I’m curious if you have any updated data or research on this city culture of coworking?

Joe Payton

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On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 at 2:33:07 PM UTC-5, Connor Provines wrote:

I’ve worked for a while cataloging and researching coworking spaces…I’ve got some pretty interesting metrics regarding populations and occupancy, so I’ll put in my 2 cents

I’ve found that Coworking is almost a cultural thing - if you cross reference the most populous cities / densest business wise with the number / population of coworking spaces…you don’t find much of a correlation.

Some of the most populous places in the U.S have no coworking spaces, while areas like SF and NYC are littered with them; and for the most part sitting at 60% occupancy or so.

Furthermore, in these cities we actually see coworking spaces lasting much longer; while most coworking places are less than 3 years old, we also see a relatively low lifespan of many places where there are few coworking spaces; that is to say the existence of a coworking environment helps new locations last longer and find a niche to work with.

Essentially what I can conclude is, in places where coworking is known and popular, people have and are will continue to move to these centers as long as they’re competitively priced with something unique to offer.

Also, I’d say comparatively St. Louis is actually one of the smallest coworking spaces per population, it’s likely a great spot for expansion.

Let me know if you’ve got more questions,

Connor